Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

topic posted Mon, January 29, 2007 - 12:58 PM by  offlineYul
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As some of you may know, I tend to look at pscychology as being mostly malarkey. One reason for that is what I perceive to be the very arbitrary way mental disorders are determined. On second thought, maybe it's not that arbitrary. I've also noticed that unpopular behaviors are often defined as mental disorders. And if that unpopular behavior becomes popular, it is no longer defined as a mental illness. For example, homosexuality. Therefore if we lived in a world where the majority of people had artisitic talent, it is possible that the minority who don't have such talent might be labeled as having a mental disorder. Personally, I DON'T think lacking artisitic talent is a mental disorder. But unfortunately, the fact remains that a comparable viewpoint exists in the world as we know it. And as I often say about such things, it doesn't have to be that way.
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  • Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

    Mon, February 5, 2007 - 5:47 AM
    That's true about Homosexuality being considered as a mental illness until about 1975.

    In the Soviet Union, they used to consider you as 'insane' if you argued against Marxist dogma. You could end up being medicated and institutionalized if you somehow found flaws in Marxist theory.
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    Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

    Fri, March 16, 2007 - 8:07 PM
    If lacking artistic talent were a mental disorder, it would be incredibly difficult to diagnose as there is no clear definition of what "art" is.
    • Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

      Mon, August 13, 2007 - 10:47 AM
      There IS a clear definition of art. People just don't want to think about it.

      As for "mental disorders", I've always had misgivings over the term "insane" and especially "mentally ill"; I use words like "crazy" and "insane" and "lunatic" as loosely as anyone else to mock people I strongly disagree with (usually Conservatives), but in its clinical form I have some problems. I have problems with "intelligence testing", I have problems with putting people away simply because their brains are wired differently. It's long been known that institutionalization often tends to make unstable people worse. I've always thought that everybody should be allowed to offer something to society.
  • Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

    Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:39 PM
    There is no real majority representation in the social science bizness, it's more a matter of how you can get coerced by the usual sleight of hand of those you've been programmed to trust (without thinking through why). Thus, this "majority" thing is more snake oil, with lots and lots of funding, making things seem different than they really are, just like the Wizard of Oz only much more dangerous.

    And since they're doing the work of helping to contain and manage us so-called "stupid masses" (really, we've all been dumbed-down, but we're not dumb to begin with), the rest of the status-quo is allowed to dovetail in "pulling wool over our collective eyes" so to speak.

    They have a germ of truth, like all "good" propaganda. People ARE flailing and off-balance. But we're being told that WE (or chemicals in our brains, or whatever other obfuscation is most popularized at the time) are "sick" and that's all it is.

    As far as the majority is concerned, it's really about marginalizing MOST OF US into BELIEVING we're the minority. Educate yourself on the terms of "manufacture of consent" or "toxic sludge is good for you" at your nearest Youtube! Of course, watching TV it's easy to believe and assume one is in the tiny minority! Or anything else the authoritarian system we live in wants us to believe.

    My two cents..
    • Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

      Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:45 PM
      Michelle, I just want to add this:
      i don't see it as a desire, per se, to be "different" so much as a desire to listen to one's inner heart/intuition. We creative-centric folks merely give ourselves permission, and those who want to seal us within their containment and management ideology have to mystify things, or at least keep us separated from such critical consciousness.

      You hear what i'm sayin'?
  • Re: Lack of artistic talent as a mental disorder

    Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:58 PM
    i think restricting people who try to express themselves artistically creates actual mental disorder the same as any other kind of abusive treatment of the beautiful human mind does. whoevers the boss in society at any given time can extend those lines to include whoever they want. ie dissenters of convention